Timeline for Why not SCART for early color monitors
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| Jul 29 at 22:02 | comment | added | gidds | TBH, in the '80s I can only remember RF (aerial) connections; I probably wasn't aware of SCART until the '90s, when VGA etc. were becoming popular. (The only SCART cable I remember using was from my VCR to a big TV.) Certainly the Amstrad and Hitachi portable TVs used with our BBC Micro and Atari STE were RF/aerial only. I also had an SM124 mono monitor for the latter; in the mid '90s I got a proper colour monitor, via VGA (but I think that was after I'd upgraded to an Atari Falcon). | |
| Jul 29 at 21:22 | comment | added | Raffzahn | @gidds Well, yeah. Then again, portable didn't have much luxury on the continent either. As usual all depending on manufacturer. It's been way more likely to find SCART on a small Sony than some larger no-name telly. I for one normally used my Atari ST on it's brilliant B&W monitor, but the (large) family TV for gaming. After all, Dungeon Master on a 60cm screen was better than 8k or VR today :)) As always, YMMV, so if SCART wasn't a thing, what RGB input to TV was then used by your peers? | |
| Jul 29 at 21:10 | comment | added | gidds | Are you including the UK in ‘Europe’ here? (Yes, yes, I know, it was just as contentious an issue back then…) I don't recall seeing SCART used much in the UK. I don't think it was too well-supported (at least, not on portable TVs, which were commonly used with computers); and IIRC there were issues with not all connections being supported by devices and/or cables, and so compatibility was far from guaranteed. | |
| Nov 12, 2022 at 14:27 | comment | added | Geo... | Without ranging too far afield, it's worth noting those TV dials were actually labeled UHF and VHF which are Ultra-High Frequency and Very-High Frequency (respectively). They refer to the frequency bands of the receiver. If memory serves, the FM radio band is sandwiched between VHF channels 5 and 6. I miss my analog tv set. | |
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| Jun 23, 2018 at 22:20 | comment | added | Raffzahn | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Jun 23, 2018 at 22:13 | comment | added | supercat | ...set the dial to the program one wanted, without having to do any laborious setup procedure. Also, when I was growing up, I could receive channels 3, 15, 21, 27, and eventually 47 (Madison, WI), 4, 6, 10, 12, 18, and 24 (Milwaukee, WI), and 13, 17, 23 (Rockford, IL). That's 14 stations. While many stations were duplicate network affiliates, they would sometimes have different local programming. | |
| Jun 23, 2018 at 22:03 | comment | added | supercat | @Raffzahn: A television set with programmed station keys needs to supply a user with the ability to program them. Some television sets in the US did have a row of buttons, and a door next to them concealing a knob and switch for each button that set the associated station, but such designs were mainly used on sets with remote controls (since circuitry to switch among a discrete number of stations was simpler than circuitry to handle every channel directly). I think part of the appeal of the US approach was that one could simply bring home a television, extend the antennae, turn it on, and... | |
| Jun 23, 2018 at 21:20 | comment | added | supercat | @Raffzahn: In the US stations did identify themselves by number, which is what made frequency-based dials useful there. From what I can tell, UK television didn't do that. I never saw anything on a BBC-1 or ITV banner that would indicate what frequency I was watching. | |
| Jun 23, 2018 at 21:07 | comment | added | supercat | @Raffzahn; In the US, a program broadcast on the ABC network would be seen near Chicago, IL on channel 7 (WLS) which (until digital broadcasting changed everything) or in Madison, WI on channel 27 (WKOW). Station banners on WLS would identify it as channel 7, while those on WKOW would identify it as channel 7. By contrast, when I was in the UK, pushing "2" on a television set would tune in the BBC-2 network whether I was in London or quite a few miles away (far enough, I would guess, to be using a different transmitter) | |
| Jun 23, 2018 at 20:32 | comment | added | supercat | I think the use of dials versus buttons relates to the fact that US television stations identified themselves with frequency-mapped channels. All stations that transmit on US channel 2 use the same frequency as each other; likewise all stations that transmit on channel 3, all that transmit on 4, etc. ITV in the UK may be identified as "channel 3", but people in different parts of the UK would need to tune their television sets to different frequencies in order to receive it. | |
| Jun 23, 2018 at 12:07 | comment | added | Hennes | The bulkiness actually might be positive. A good, easy to grip, almost impossible to connect the wrong way around connector is a good feature. SCART and DVI are nice examples to this. (granted, not on phone is similr sized devices, but on desktops, laptops and TV a larger connector simply is an advantage. | |
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| Jun 23, 2018 at 8:47 | comment | added | tofro | Not invented here and the fact that SCART was actually a protectionistic invention might have been the main factors. The bulkiness of the connectors might have added quite a bit. | |
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| Jun 23, 2018 at 8:16 | comment | added | aybe | This is an interesting and alternative view to the answer I haven't thought of ! | |
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| Jun 23, 2018 at 8:03 | history | answered | Raffzahn | CC BY-SA 4.0 |