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In addition to my other related question Is it possible to read floppy disks at non-standard rotation speeds (RPM)?.

How to determine the required RPM for a 3.5-inch floppy disk as disks can apparently require different speeds? How does a floppy drive know what RPM speed to use and if it is compatible with that disk?

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    The rotation speed doesn’t matter very much - if you double the speed then the data rate will double, and provided that the read/write circuitry can operate at that speed, the disk is usable. So the drive can spin the disk at any speed within reason provided that the data path can provide the correct data rate.
    – Frog
    Jan 2 at 20:29
  • @Frog That is true, but a system usually works with one or few different data rates, so even if you can double the RPM, you typically can't double the speed at which the floppy controller operates. And if you can, the original software routines may not be compatible with it if they expect the original RPM, so they would need to be rewritten too.
    – Justme
    Jan 2 at 21:43

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How to determine the required RPM for a 3.5-inch floppy disk as disks can apparently require different speeds?

Now, or back then?

In general, drive speeds are rather fixed with disk type and system.

Speed for most systems is 300 or 360 RPM, except a few outliers and variable speed drives.

How does a floppy drive know what RPM speed to use and if it is compatible with that disk?

Err ... because it is compatible? A non compatible disk will simply not read satisfactory. Compatibility is reached by building a system with the same parameters. All parameters of a floppy format, including the default RPM, are system specific. Thus no need to adjust outside of what it is made for.

Without any further ado IBM PC drives will only read IBM PC disks of the same type. Same for Apple drives doing Apple disks and so on.

For example the IBM 3.5 inch drives always rotate at 300 RPM. No matter if formatted for 320 KiB or 2880 KiB capacity. Selecting the right read/write parameters is a different story.

Similar a 5.25 inch HD drive will always rotate at 360 RPM. Compatibility with DD (as bad as it worked out) is done by modifying the read/write speed by 5/6th in the controller and double stepping.


[Addendum: The questions you're issuing in fast sequence sound a bit as if you're beating around the bush without much target to look for. It might be helpful to separate in drive detection vs. media/format detection, as well as maybe adding for what purpose the information is needed.]

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  • Thanks for the detailed answer. I am indeed asking some seemingly random questions specifically regarding floppy technology as I am working on a hobby project that involves floppies and I am trying to get a better and broader understanding of different aspects of this tech.
    – Bob Ortiz
    Jan 3 at 1:12
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    @BobOrtiz Well, I might help if you specify why you're looking for a certain information, or directly ask for specific help. Otherwise this vague questions will only generate vague, not really helpful answers. Floppy technology is a huge area going all the way back to magnetic tapes, based on quite interlocked low level technologies. Depending on your project it might be helpful to start of in learning the basics of this technology - like magnetic storage and controllers, before going high level. Especially if you want to leave the beaten path.
    – Raffzahn
    Jan 3 at 1:17
  • Thanks. I will try to be more specific in my other questions but sometimes broad questions serve a different purpose and actually help to gain a broader insight that leads to more specific questions.
    – Bob Ortiz
    Jan 3 at 1:24
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The drive does not know the correct RPM for any given floppy disk and it does not need to. The drive rotates all floppies inserted to it at the speed the drive is manufactured to run, and thus different systems may rotate the floppies at different speeds by design and it also means drives may not be interchangeable between systems due to their differences.

Generally you have a computer system with a certain drive that runs at certain RPM, and just use it with floppies formatted for the system in the drive. The floppies may or may not be readable in another system, due to differences in the RPM, data rate, data encoding such as FM/MFM, data formatting (sector size, sectors per track, index marks) and file system.

Fo example, an Amiga hardware can read IBM PC format floppies, but IBM PC hardware can't read Amiga format floppies.

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  • And how would a user know? What would be indicators for that? It seems to me that the information printed on floppy disks in highly non-consistent and there are tons of different models.
    – Bob Ortiz
    Jan 2 at 20:25
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    It is not about the physical floppy either. The floppy disks are all alike. If you bought unformatted disks, you needed to format them with the system to be able to use them with the system. Sometimes floppies were sold pre-formatted, typically 3.5" disks were pre-formatted so they could be directly used with IBM PC compatibles without formatting. Basically, you would write on the floppies "My Amiga Stuff" and "My PC Stuff" to know which floppy is for which system if you had multiple systems.
    – Justme
    Jan 2 at 21:35
  • @Justme, Re, "the floppy disks are all alike." Except, back in the pre 3.5" days, some media were hard sectored, and others were soft sectored: retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/q/2484 and some were single-sided while others were double-sided. And then, among 3.5" disks, there were "DD," "HD," and "ED" varieties. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk#3%C2%BD-inch_disk Jan 5 at 14:22
  • @SolomonSlow Yes, what I meant by that was that a given a certain floppy, such as 3.5" DS DD, they are all alike, and same floppy type can be used in different systems that run at different speeds (after formatting), so the parameters such as RPM is not and can not be determined by the floppy. Of course, floppies with different data storage densities did exist.
    – Justme
    Jan 5 at 14:57

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