what is the meaning of the NAND external connected driving _BLIT in depency of _ROMEN? I cant see the need mainipulate _BLIT by accessing the ROM. Is this an Gary bugfix? Strangely A500+ does not have this NAND Gates.

Thanx

Part of A2000REv6 Schematic

  • I think this is not an EE question as it's about the motherboard, and so it is on-topic. (This probably won't mean anything to you yet, Gonzo; it's a message to others on the site with 500+ reputation points.) – wizzwizz4 Feb 10 at 9:50
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    @wizzwizz4 The question is clearly RC related, as it is about machine specific issues, not other, generic devices. – Raffzahn Feb 10 at 11:01
  • @gonzo It might be helpful if you could tell what machine and chip combination this is about. From Angus (which might be the lower right chi) alone there is a phletoria of versions like 8361/8367/8370/8372/8375 plus refisions like R0/R01/R2/R3/R1/FAT and maybe many more. Similar for the others. THe Amiga did have many many many modification over time. Also a link to the over all schematics and machine information is helpful. Having said that, the workings are rather clear :)) – Raffzahn Feb 10 at 11:45
  • @Raffzahn Good point. That makes my concerns completely invalid! :-) – wizzwizz4 Feb 10 at 14:43

This is just GARY performing its basic logic for multiplexing the Amiga's CHIP RAM bus, with the aid of some external logic. The *ROMEN signal is mutually exclusive with the *BLIT signal because there is no reason to assert *BLIT during accesses to ROM because the CPU doesn't need the CHIP RAM bus when accessing ROM.

It would make more sense to design Gary with this logic being internal to the gate array, in hindsight, but the Gary chip might have been designed first with some assumptions in mind that didn't pan out. Later versions of Gary perhaps "fixed" this, but it would have been a chip count optimization, rather than a bug fix.

Caveat: I'm not exactly an Amiga guy. I did work with them, but never had much positive thought about :))

From the combination of signals I assume (*1) the IC in the lower right is supposed to be an AGNUS, Amigas RAM/DMA/Blitter all in one handler (*1). The combination of question wording ant the shown schematic sniplet is a bit confusing, as the line is named /BLIT, a name introduced with the ECS (Enhanced ChipSet), while the text reads that the gates are not present at the Amiga 500+ - which used the ECS.

So all this little combination does is inhibiting /BLIT (making it High) whenever /ROMEN is active (Low).

/BLIT is what /DBR was in the OCS (Original ChipSet), the signal that AGNUS want's to issue a bus cycle. AGNUS always had priority in bus access. Only a /BLISS assertion could 'ask politely' for a cycle (*3), which AGNUS could grant by deasserting /BLIT for a single cycle. This additional circuit now did block (or delay) AGNUS requests when the address actually decoded by GARY was a ROM address.

Without looking at the timing three possible situations may come to mind:

  1. Due some circumstances AGNUS did generate ROM addresses (no idea how) which ofc, wasn't a good idea in the first place. This would protect against - maybe - some leftover from the A1000 WOM/WCS.

  2. It was a strange way to keep the CPU prioritize the CPU during ROM access.

  3. It delays /BLIT until a prior active /ROMEN is deactivated. This would be the case if there is a race condition within GARY's decoding. In this case the gates provide an external fix. The condition might be that /ROMEN is still active due a prior ROM access by the 68k when AGNUS pulls /BLIT to start a RAM cycle. Since /ROMEN is directly connected to /OE (Output Enable) of the ROM and RAM-/OE is fixed to ground, this might screw the data bus, during early CAS cycle having ROM drive the data lines against RAM.

I would go for #3, as the other are rather obscure. But as said before, it's just an educated guess. I would need to dig out the exact schematic and more important timing sequence for each chip in conjunction with the 68k timing.

Another way would be simply to look what GARY version machines with or without that lock have. I bet that correlates.


*1 - Assumptions are bad It's always better if a question includes at least the basic information about the system and the environment it is asked on, so there are no basic assumptions necessary. Especially with the Amiga as there are literally dozens of internal versions for each Amiga. It's extremely hard to guess from which combination some sniplet is. Especially when, like in this case, after market schematics are used.

*2 - I think for the AGNUS alone there where more than 10 versions with different par numbers like 8361/8367/8370/8372/8375 plus appendixes like A/AB/B/R0/R01/R2/R3/R1/FAT. There isn't the AGNUS. Sure, from a software side there where only two or 3 versions to distinguish, but hardware wise they where many more.

*3 - Which usually was inserted by GARY after three consecutive AGNUS cycles.

  • "So all this little combination does is inhibiting /BLIT (making it High) whenever /ROMEN is active (Low)." Thats right. I did not see the sense of this hack. – Gonzo Feb 10 at 17:07
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    The A2000 Rev 6 ist running the Agnus 8272A. (With the hack) The A500+ is runnig Agnus 8275 without this addon. Maybe there is the reason? The Gary is the same. I am still trying to understand the fully schematic of ECS/OCS Amigas ;-) – Gonzo Feb 10 at 17:16

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